Curse

Marston · Nov 20, 2007, 04:28 PM // 16:28

Well I wil conceed I do see far less leeching then the old days but five times as many leavers making it worse then having a few leechs around. In 5 rounds of AB today over 50% of my team left right in the first few minutes due to scores lik 40-60 or 30-70 etc, scores that with teamwork can be overcome for a victory and whats worse is it was our side's fortress map. Yet this is not my biggest problem with the failing report system it is the fact that many of these leavers choose to insult flame and berate others just before leaving, and once that happens you cannot report them for verbal abuse. If we want our pre-wowish days back when the community was mature then we must have a proper way to report immature members. I simply cannot stand having to listen to alot of the idiots in AB these days and the fact that if they leave they prevent a report is just silly. I was even racially insulted this morning through a whisper by one such leaver and could not do anything about it, not thats bull.

Syntonic · Nov 20, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

When someone goes overboard on the flames and perhaps breaks several rules in the process, write down the time and date and take screenshots of the conversation. Contact ncsoft afterwards through plaync's support page via reporting violations. It's far more retroactive but they don't really care when people leave etc. The /report command should still work for inappropriate chat - but the GM may decide not to deal with it since there is an ignore command despite the fact that blacklists are way too limited. I suppose it depends on the severity in the end. If you are reporting for just leeching, it's handled far different. It's not that the /report system that is failing in this regard - you can't punish your team for not meshing or playing well. Berating others by saying, "Geez you guys suck" will probably warrant no action and quite frankly, it means you should just grow thicker skin. Racial slurs are different since most people never stop with just one so they are probably a different matter entirely. I'm not in a position to say whether or not it is for certain so take it up with NCSoft.

Requirements when not using the /report command:
* The name of the character being reported
* The name of the character you were playing at the time of the encounter
* The time of the incident (with time zone)
* The name of the map zone where the incident took place (or even the location within the zone)
* A description of the offending action, dialogue, or name
* A screenshot of the incident (please ensure any screenshots are in JPEG/.jpg or GIF/.gif format and under 2 megabytes in size before you attach them to your message)
* Any other details that you feel are relevant

Riotgear · Nov 20, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

The penalty for leaving is the equivalent of getting reported 3 times.

Div · Nov 20, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Leaving an AB match should be 10 dishonorable points. It shouldn't have the same penalty as the RA leavers, simply because the wait time is so much longer and you're screwing over so many people's time.

Tyla · Nov 20, 2007, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Leaving an AB match should be 10 dishonorable points. It shouldn't have the same penalty as the RA leavers, simply because the wait time is so much longer and you're screwing over so many people's time.

/agree
leavers will be wtfpwned:P

~ Dan ~ · Nov 20, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Leaving an AB match should be 10 dishonorable points. It shouldn't have the same penalty as the RA leavers, simply because the wait time is so much longer and you're screwing over so many people's time.

But on the other hand, 1 person hardly makes a difference in AB, but in RA...

Saying that, the majority of AB / RA players make no difference either way

moriz · Nov 21, 2007, 12:09 AM // 00:09

until anet fix the "entire teams not loading in" bug, /resign in AB shouldn't give dishonor points.

Sister Rosette · Nov 21, 2007, 12:44 AM // 00:44

/not signed

You shouldn't be punished from leaving a match that 9 times out of 10, you won't win. You're assuming the worst in people when you make these kinds of threads, like somewhere someone is getting off to the fact that they just left you with one less party member, but ask yourself, is one or more of the following conditions in place?

[] Is the other side mobbing?
[] Is the enemy score at least 40 points higher than your own?
[] Are your teammates all congregated on one exit/warp?
[] Are people actually capping?
[] Is there an excess of Item selling/Guild Recruiting/Shit talking/Any other activity going on aside from actually AB'ing?

If so, there's usually no reason for you to stick around, as you have already lost. Making everyone go down with the ship just because you're too stubborn to know when you're beat is bupkiss. And that 'if we just work together and believe' bit is naive to the point that it's pathetic.

Perfected Shadow · Nov 21, 2007, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by Marston

I was even racially insulted this morning through a whisper by one such leaver and could not do anything about it, not thats bull.

Appear offline.

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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette

Is the other side mobbing?

I think that's a favorable situation, unless the mob has pigeonholed you in your base.

Luca Firestorm · Nov 21, 2007, 03:58 AM // 03:58

Dishonour points title->ftw?
Rank 10 = Judas?

lacasner · Nov 21, 2007, 04:02 AM // 04:02

The whole dishonered system is really stupid imo

~ Dan ~ · Nov 21, 2007, 10:14 AM // 10:14

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Originally Posted by Luca Firestorm

Dishonour points title->ftw?
Rank 10 = Judas?

Hahaha, love it

Riotgear · Nov 21, 2007, 10:39 AM // 10:39

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

Leaving an AB match should be 10 dishonorable points. It shouldn't have the same penalty as the RA leavers, simply because the wait time is so much longer and you're screwing over so many people's time.

Leaving an RA match costs you 1/4 of your playerbase, leaving an AB match costs you 1/12th, and the penalty should be increased by 6 to 10? Yes, this makes perfect sense.

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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow

I think that's a favorable situation, unless the mob has pigeonholed you in your base.

Better situation would be "Is the enemy team mobbing and your team is a bunch of retarded lemmings that runs into it and gets engulfed when they should be capping the six points that the mob isn't at?"

Edwin Phate · Nov 21, 2007, 10:59 AM // 10:59

ab is worse its much much longer and 1 down is teh sux. Ra is not so bad you lose 1-2 min.

Riotgear · Nov 21, 2007, 06:21 PM // 18:21

Losing a single player in AB is barely relevant.

SilentDaunt · Nov 22, 2007, 05:51 AM // 05:51

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Originally Posted by Riotgear

Losing a single player in AB is barely relevant.

That maybe so (if your team has a good mm) but it sets precedence and that could encourage/induce more people to leave. Its just the psychology of deserters, if one player leaves its almost guaranteed for some other idiots to follow suit thinking either its alright because someone else did it too or that the team is destined to lose with one man short or both. Its just that avg AB players have almost no faith in their team winning in unfavorable odds. Its sad but its the truth.

iridescentfyre · Nov 22, 2007, 05:54 AM // 05:54

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Originally Posted by SilentDaunt

That maybe so (if your team has a good mm) but it sets precedence and that could encourage/induce more people to leave. Its just the psychology of deserters, if one player leaves its almost guaranteed for some other idiots to follow suit thinking either its alright because someone else did it too or that the team is destined to lose with one man short or both. Its just that avg AB players have almost no faith in their team winning in unfavorable odds. Its sad but its the truth.

If your team is composed of so many herd-minded retards that one leaver causes said domino effect, they would've probably just swarmed the res shrine until you lose 500-150 anyway. At least if they leave you waste less time.

SilentDaunt · Nov 22, 2007, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre

If your team is composed of so many herd-minded retards that one leaver causes said domino effect, they would've probably just swarmed the res shrine until you lose 500-150 anyway. At least if they leave you waste less time.

Well unfortunately those people are not so honorable as to leave their name for reporting when they intend to screw you over. And how does them leaving save my time anyways in oppose to if they just stand idly on the res shrine? They only way to save time is if I leave too and that is the domino effect. I don't claim this happens every time, in fact nothing to me is as exhilarating as winning the match one man short or even two man short, that is until you discover the opponents had deserters too. I hate deserters really because I don't quite after they quite, so I have to fight the losing fight while trying to discourage others from toying with the idea of deserting and that is NOT a positive playing experience by far. Unless I end up winning

Riotgear · Nov 22, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by SilentDaunt

Well unfortunately those people are not so honorable as to leave their name for reporting when they intend to screw you over.

They don't need to leave their name, they're effectively auto-reported 3 times by leaving.

Div · Nov 22, 2007, 12:15 PM // 12:15

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Originally Posted by Riotgear

Losing a single player in AB is barely relevant.

It's more the psychological effect, causing a chain of events for other people to either leave or simply not try anymore. In that case your leaving caused a snowball effect that screwed over 11 other people that would've been trying otherwise.

In RA, it's quick in quick out, so if someone leaves, you lose, and all you've lost was a minute of time. An AB match can take 10+ minutes to finish even if half a team has given up already, and wait times are generally longer than your 15 second RA wait time.

I have a different stance when viewing AB and RA leavers. In RA, I can sympathize somewhat with leavers, simply because of the bad system of allowing people to farm gladiator points there. However, in AB, your leaving affects 11 other people who probably waited 5+ minutes to even get a match.